Health Optimization for Builders: Jason Persaud on Energy, Fertility, Peptides, and Performance (#189) — Transcript
Updated: Oct 26
THE PICTURE OF WEALTH · EPISODE 189
How do the systems behind your health affect the way you work and live? Jason Persaud joins Dustin Serviss for a conversation about energy, environment, fertility, hormones and the questions behind a more deliberate approach to personal health.
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Chapters
[00:00:00] Looking at health as an underlying operating system
[00:03:52] Jason on hormones, fertility and health goals
[00:07:52] Questions from a personal family health experience
[00:16:00] Working across different approaches to care
[00:20:09] Jason discusses blue-light glasses
[00:23:34] Peptides and the limits of safety data
[00:26:56] Peptides alongside lifestyle habits
[00:39:15] Discussing growth-hormone pathways
[00:44:19] Moving to the Okanagan and changing pace
[00:48:26] How different communities value a service
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[00:00:00] Dustin Serviss: Hey, listener. It's Dustin. Today on T Pal Labs is guest Jason Persaud from ExciteoLife. Jason and I have spent, some time together outside the studio, and he's also helping me work on parts of my own health optimization, which I find very interesting. And I thought after all the visiting with Jason that, the way he approaches human health and the way a good entrepreneur approaches a business is by looking at the underlying systems. So most business owners are excellent at optimizing companies, teams, finances, but often ignore the operating system that drives it, their own energy and biology.
[00:00:35] Dustin Serviss: So in this conversation, we dig into the root cause of health, hormones, circadian rhythm, peptides, and the environmental signals that are quietly shaping how modern humans feel and perform. And, yes, at one point, we even get into the discussion of how a forty nine year old man ended up with testosterone levels, at the top of the range using a method most people have probably never heard of. So if you're a business owner trying to stay sharp, energetic, and operating at a high level for the long run, there's a lot in this one for you. Enjoy. Yeah. I think there's a difference between what the streets of Bangkok look like and
[00:01:16] Dustin Serviss: what the streets look like in Japan. Yes. Have you
[00:01:19] Jason Persaud: been I've been to Japan, and it is, like, beautiful, man. The streets are pristine. Like, it's... So I was in China, and I was in Japan, and it's, like, night and day different. My gosh.
[00:01:30] Dustin Serviss: Really?
[00:01:31] Jason Persaud: Yeah. You just think of Japanese people are, like, super sweet, like, very well put together. The streets are pristine. The flowers are beautiful. And then China... I remember going to this restaurant and, like, that you had your plate of food, and they're literally just putting their, like, bones and whatever else, like, on the table. And then they're, like, pack of darts at the same time. Like, it
[00:01:52] Dustin Serviss: was Nice.
[00:01:53] Jason Persaud: So wild. And then you go to Japan, and it's just like that nice little Japanese lady. Like, that, like, archetype is just so true.
[00:02:01] Dustin Serviss: Yeah. Yeah. I honestly It... It'll be fun. No. It started with Okinawa and, like, the cooking and, like, longevity and blue zones, and then it's now morphed into drones, robots, science, f one.
[00:02:16] Jason Persaud: Nice. Nice. Yeah. F one will be fun. I've never see... I've never been to a f one race in person. That would be pretty cool.
[00:02:22] Dustin Serviss: Yeah. It's... The energy when the cars go by is, like, hard to explain. Yeah. It's a car. It drives by, but it, like, is so loud, or it's just, like, mind boggling how fast it's going, and you just cannot look.
[00:02:37] Jason Persaud: I even like the rally car racers. You watch something, they're like, zing. Like, they're just
[00:02:41] Dustin Serviss: Yeah.
[00:02:42] Jason Persaud: Like, they're there, and then they're not there. And these guys are controlling these vehicles, these, like, bombs going down the road.
[00:02:48] Dustin Serviss: Yeah. Wild. Wild. You spend a lot of time helping people see the root causes of things. People come to you and you... And I'm just letting your brain go wherever because when we were visiting the other day, you mentioned some things. I'm like, man, there's gotta be so many people. But in today's world, are you seeing more men, women with blind spots about their health?
[00:03:13] Jason Persaud: I don't think it's gender. I don't think it's gender related. It's like when you work with... So many practitioners get into niches. Right? It's okay. Like, gut or thyroid or whatever, fertility, for example. And that could be very gender based for obvious reasons. And with me, I'm... I like to consider myself a bit of like a holistic human specialist. So whether it's like you're male or female, the systems are the same. We both have the same systems. We both have hormonal systems, gut systems, like so on and so forth. So when you work at the deeper layering of the functionality of a system, it's gonna help both genders effectively.
[00:03:52] Jason Persaud: So working with the hormonal system of a male and optimizing that system, it's okay, they're gonna have libido, their sperm is gonna be healthy, they're gonna be able to have some motivation and drive because their testosterone is good. They're gonna build muscle mass, they're gonna be leaner, like those type of things. Now the same principles that we use and apply for women are then gonna change. Okay. Now their hormones are better. Right? So their periods are better, less pain. They're not having irregular periods. They're fertile, for example. Then you get into, a pregnancy goes well, I think, where we're at now with our...
[00:04:25] Jason Persaud: In our own household. And Right. Breast milk comes in, like, all of those things. The fact that she went through labor and didn't tear and we were home within seven hours, And like all of those things, it's really not gender specific. It's really like human systems specific. And that's the totality of what we're dealing with today as a population here in North America is all of the environmental bombardment and lack of new... Nutrients in our food that affects both of us equally, essentially.
[00:04:56] Dustin Serviss: Without without getting into too many specifics and having your wife royally pissed off at
[00:05:01] Jason Persaud: you, what
[00:05:02] Dustin Serviss: did you get her prepared in a sense of wellness or if she's already, up to speed in her own mind of what to do, what were some of those things that led to a, a great pregnancy, which I never thought that podcast. This is the first that we've talked about this, but it's for a year, so let's do it.
[00:05:20] Jason Persaud: Yeah. The world of IVF, dude, you're a little bit older. My generation, I'm thirty four. A lot of friends and family... Or not not family, but friends, our age are going through that, like, fertility crisis right now. And it's not just women, it's men. Men, like, they do not have adequate sperm. Their sperm are not healthy enough. And so, yeah, long story short for my wife, she was actually married to someone else seven year... For seven years prior to me, and they were unable to conceive the entire time. She had a miscarriage. She always had hormonal issues, so on and so forth.
[00:05:49] Jason Persaud: We ended up, obviously, we started dating, and we spent a good amount of time, probably about a year, like, getting her health back in order, which then when we tried with our first, it happened very easily. Like, with, like, literally first shot pregnant
[00:06:03] Dustin Serviss: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:06:04] Jason Persaud: Which was amazing. But some of the issues that we did have was she... In terms of breast milk, her pregnancy also went very well, but her breast milk, she was having issues with that in terms of one breast was creating much more milk than the other side. And then it created this situation where we had to use some goat formula powder to supplement Ayla when she was a baby. And so that was a big focus for me coming with the second baby was, like, how do we resolve this? And I went down a bit of a rabbit hole around iodine. Okay? So iodine is old school medicine. Right? You think about you're out in the woods, like, you gotta cut iodine.
[00:06:41] Jason Persaud: Like, army medic type of thing.
[00:06:43] Dustin Serviss: Yeah. That's exactly what I was thinking.
[00:06:45] Jason Persaud: Army medic type of thing. But also in the war, they used to put iodine in the bread because people were so malnourished. Right? So that's what they used to do back in the day. And then they removed iodine and they replaced it with bromine. So a lot of our, like, white bread, unless you're getting sourdough or something like that, your typical ultra processed white bread has bromine in it. And then our water has fluorine and chlorine. So those fall into what we call a halogen group. Okay? Okay. Halogens love hormonal glands, thyroids, breast tissue, testes. Okay? So just think about those three things I just mentioned.
[00:07:22] Jason Persaud: How many people do you know have issues with one of those organ systems?
[00:07:25] Dustin Serviss: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:07:27] Jason Persaud: Right? And that's because that's what we were, like, literally raised on. Right? All of our water has it. So if our glands have these halogens in them that affects that gland from making the hormone it's supposed to make, now everybody's got a hormonal issue. Wow. What a surprise. Fast forward this now, I then also learned because anytime I can't figure out something in clinic, I've always tried to figure out, okay, what what do I not know?
[00:07:50] Dustin Serviss: You know what I mean? Like Yeah. Yeah.
[00:07:52] Jason Persaud: What about this health condition do I not know that I can't address? And they talk about these herbal teas and tinctures to support breast milk, but I'm like, what's the mineral for it? Iodine is very good at displacing halogens, moving halogens out. So along that same line, I also had clients with fibrotic breast tissue. Okay? So fibrotic breast tissue is just like hard lumps in the breast, which is usually a precursor to breast cancer, essentially.
[00:08:18] Dustin Serviss: Right.
[00:08:18] Jason Persaud: Your breast tissue is primarily just like lymph. It's sewage. Like, it's just all lymphatic fluid. This is where we see women with the aluminum deodorant, the antiperspirant. Right? They're not sweating and then all that stuff just ends up in their breast tissue and that whole cascade. So I come to learn from a book called The Iodine Crisis by Lynn Farrow that iodine is being used in what we would consider megadoses, but therapeutic doses of iodine to reverse fibrotic breast tissue and breast cancer. And this is all based off of the research by doctor Brownstein back in the seventies and eighties.
[00:08:55] Jason Persaud: And, again, iodine was used by doctors all the time. And then all of a sudden, a study came out in the seventies and said iodine was bad for us, and then it just got buried. And then you can't... You can go down the rabbit hole of iodine is just a mineral. You can't patent it. How do you make it expensive? You can't really make a lot of money off of iodine. So all of a sudden, you stop using iodine and start using other things when medical industry makes a lot of money. So anyways, it's about it's about process. But research in the world of fertility is that about ninety eight percent... The woman's name is Lily Nichols.
[00:09:27] Jason Persaud: She's a pregnancy holistic nutritionist. Okay? And she did a study in about ninety eight percent of pregnant women are deficient in iodine. And we think about where we get iodine. You get iodine from things like seaweed. Right? And then also raw dairy, like raw butters, raw milk, things like that. First of all, raw is illegal. Yeah.
[00:09:45] Dustin Serviss: We're not supposed to buy that.
[00:09:47] Jason Persaud: Raw is illegal. So, like, we can't get it. Right? So there's the first one. Second part is who's eating a bunch of seaweed all day? People aren't doing that. Like, we don't even have access to it. And then when you think about the populations of people that do eat a lot of seaweed, like your Asian Pacific people, they don't really have thyroid problems. Like most of the women with thyroid problems are your Caucasian, North American, Like, we eat white milk, white bread, white cheese, like that kind of demographic. So you start to see the, like, the pop... The population difference and the condition differences that you see
[00:10:23] Jason Persaud: based off of, like, the type of foods that they eat, essentially. Iodine, long way around, iodine was a very important part of something we focused on. Actually, in the dosages of, like, twelve to fifteen milligrams a day. Now if you were to look at your multivitamin, it's got one hundred and fifty micrograms. Okay? So one thousand micrograms is a milligram. So we're doing twelve to fifteen milligrams a day, and most people are getting a hundred fifty micrograms. And that's if they're prenatal or multi even has it in there.
[00:10:55] Dustin Serviss: Right.
[00:10:56] Jason Persaud: I have clients that are doing... Have you ever heard of testicular painting? Have you ever heard of that? No. So literally, you take iodine with, magnesium spray because magnesium crosses the skin barrier. So you put, like, a magnesium... There... There's a company called Ancient Lakes, and they do, like, an Epsom salt magnesium bath, but they also have a spray. It's a magnesium spray. And we use it with, like, kids and toddlers because we try to get them some magnesium because they can't take it. You know what I mean? So you put some magnesium spray. They put a couple drops of Lugol's iodine, like one or two drops, and
[00:11:29] Jason Persaud: you literally rub it into your testicles. Women will do it into their breast tissue. And, like, I had one guy. He's forty nine. His... We tested his testosterone. It was at the top of the range. Forty nine years old at the top of the range. And it was so high for his physiology that that he was actually having issues sleeping because his androgens were so high. But this is just from iodine on his testicles. No joke.
[00:11:56] Dustin Serviss: Yeah.
[00:11:57] Jason Persaud: Yeah. And you start looking up, like, iodine painting of breast tissue for, like, fibrotic breast and breast cancer. Like, it's all there. It's just not mainstream tools and people don't really talk about it. But that would be the biggest thing I would say we did, honestly, was, like, we had to get our gut in order. We had to do all those basic things which we had done for the first pregnancy. But this one, it was very much like making her sure her iodine levels were good, which took care of basically her whole hormonal profile. Now, obviously, this is very specific to my wife. Most of the pregnant women that I see, it's like you gotta
[00:12:32] Jason Persaud: increase beef liver to get their iron stores up instead of taking that other iron because it just constipates them, bothers their gut, everything like that. So beef liver, a solid multivitamin that has high dose iodine. Obviously, your fish oils, a phytocal mag, so basically, like a calcium magnesium blend, and vitamin d. It honestly was not super complicated. But the iodine... Like, we did a lot of those in the first pregnancy, but we didn't touch the iodine just because I didn't really know about it. And that was the major difference, this one. And she'll be forty this year, and we got to the hospital at eight forty five, and he was born...
[00:13:10] Jason Persaud: Or I'm sorry. Nine forty five. He was born at eleven o seven, and we were home by six thirty.
[00:13:14] Dustin Serviss: Yeah. That's awesome. I'm excited for you guys. It's it's a cool journey. And on the iodine thing... Because I think this is for research driven people who are on Instagrams or... We've talked about this before, so I won't go down too far. But it's like you get these things, you whipsaw, you take a bunch of stuff, then it's... So to smooth out the stuff... It's a two part questions. To smooth out the stuff, getting back to raw ingredients, like periodic table stuff.
[00:13:44] Jason Persaud: Yep.
[00:13:44] Dustin Serviss: And, like, in all your research, you had to come up with some sort of opinions on why pharma doesn't allow that. Again, I keep this podcast relatively neutral, but you brought it up, and I'm curious about it. So I wanna go here.
[00:14:00] Jason Persaud: Listen. The... Again, going back to periodic table of elements. Okay? Minerals and vitamins. It is so simple, but the problem is that you can't patent a mineral or a vitamin. You just can't do it. It's not legal. So if I can't patent something, it's not special. And if it's not special, I can't charge an insane amount of money. And if we think about this process, doctors of past would give you what? Minerals and vitamins to solve things. Right? Homeopathics, for example. All of a sudden, homeopathics are now dangerous, and we can't use them for whatever reason. This is what the medical system says.
[00:14:35] Jason Persaud: We also can't use minerals and food to fix our health because doctors say that doesn't work, actually. You need to take these pharmaceuticals. Right? Now Right. Albeit, the doctor is brainwashed in whatever capacity that they are by the medical system, and they're not educated on food and nutrition and whatever else. Right? And they're also playing with the idea that humans don't change. Because many many people do not change. They just... They wanna keep eating what they're doing, drinking what they're doing, and just have this problem resolved. So it's a very multilayered thing where it's like
[00:15:11] Jason Persaud: the pharmaceutical world is great for our acute care, medical care. I'm dying. I have an injury. Like, I cannot function. That is medical system. Where they do not fit the bill is anything chronic. Anything chronic, they don't fill the bill because they don't have the tools. I think the main problem is that there are very few doctors that recognize that two two steer... That two step process. Most doctors are like, oh, you're holistic. Like, you're not a great client. You're not gonna listen to what I tell you to do. And that... That's just what happens. Right? Meanwhile, some docs are like, great. The holistic is awesome.
[00:15:49] Jason Persaud: That's a good foundation. But your cholesterol is still too freaking high, so you're gonna take statins. And in six months, we'll reassess and see what it looks like. And if it's coming down, we can have a conversation.
[00:15:59] Dustin Serviss: Yeah.
[00:16:00] Jason Persaud: That's the blend that we need to have. And I feel like some of the newer docs, just living in the world we live in now, are more open to that. But the docs that are in their, like, fifties and sixties, they're like, I've been doing this for forty years. This is just what we do, and they're just stuck in their ways in that sense.
[00:16:17] Dustin Serviss: Do you think forty years ago, humans weren't didn't have enough comprehension or there wasn't enough awareness from other things? They weren't ready for this type of thing, or do you think it was just just sheer volume of marketing that, like, take these drugs? Or it's it's okay that we're changing now. And it's just natural. It's not that anything was bad. It's just now humans are ready for it.
[00:16:41] Jason Persaud: Yeah. I would say, first of all, back then, humans weren't that sick. Like, our environment, forty years ago, I... So listen. Ninety two baby. Okay? I'm young. Ninety two baby. And I was... I became a personal trainer when I was eighteen, so two thousand ten. Okay? In two thousand and ten to two thousand fifteen, although I was still very young, things changed very quickly with people. You know what I mean? It's like someone's obese, get them to stop eating shit and work out, and they'll be fine. Like, it was very easy to change health issues back then. Nowadays, you can do all of that and still be chronically
[00:17:19] Jason Persaud: ill, and it's because of our, like, information signaling. Back then, there was less technology, so we weren't on phones all day. They had to call you at home. Yeah. We watched some TV. Sure. We didn't have Wi Fi in our house. Like, we had plug in Internet. So our signaling was more about being outside, being in connection with people, all of the things that make humans happy and healthy. You mentioned blue zones. Right? That's exactly what it is. When you look at the blue zones of the world, all these different blue zones have different types of diet. They all have different environments. But what is common? They move every day.
[00:17:57] Jason Persaud: They're in community every day. They're laughing and playing and dancing and all the things. And what do we have? We have Amazon. We got Netflix. We got all the technology. We live in these houses and barely spend time with each other. We talk to each other through technology more often. Like, it's just information signaling. Back then, we would... The sun... The... Even think of our lights back then. Right? All the lights were like halogen. Right? They were like that golden y yellow type of color. And then what happened? Somewhere through the two thousands, two thousand and five, two thousand fifteen, everything went LED.
[00:18:33] Jason Persaud: If we think about sunlight, when do you have that bright of sun? Twelve noon only. Only. Right?
[00:18:42] Dustin Serviss: Yeah.
[00:18:42] Jason Persaud: And then as you get later into the day, it gets darker. It gets more amber and red and golden and everything like that. So when you're thinking about it, it's were people ready or not ready. I think humans are the same from where they were then to where they are now in terms of, like, mental readiness. I think with Instagram or just social media in general and access to education, especially post COVID, people are more open to different ideas based on their own personal experience through all of that. So I say people are more ready now. There's more education, there's more access to information.
[00:19:17] Jason Persaud: But the main difference in my opinion is just like we are so much sicker as a as a environment with the information our bodies are getting all the time. Like, our bodies are losing their circadian rhythm. We're... Our eyes have, say, twelve noon if we're not protecting our eyes with something like this or have a dimmer on our phone or something like that. This is what's happening to our kids. Our kids are like... They're on their phone, they're on the TV, they're in school with LED lights above their head. Like, the research is even out on kids that have the ADD tendencies, and they put them in a classroom with different colored lights.
[00:19:54] Jason Persaud: All of a sudden, they're not jumping all over the place.
[00:19:57] Dustin Serviss: Yeah. Yeah. You know? So But I was gonna ask what the glasses... What's what's going on with the glasses? So listener, Jay's got yellow tinted glasses sitting here. They're not Yeah. They're not. So I can see his eyes still, though. So they're
[00:20:09] Jason Persaud: Yeah. Yeah. So, basically, when it comes to what we call blue light blockers. Okay? So some people will have regular glasses, and then they'll have a lens on them. And the doctors, yeah, they're blue... They block blue light. Okay? The problem with that is it doesn't actually do that. It blocks a little bit of it. But if I have glasses on and I can see blue, the color blue, then it's not blocking blue light. Okay? K. It's not blocking blue light because I can see the color blue. So with these ones, all my blues are, like, tinted green, basically.
[00:20:40] Dustin Serviss: K.
[00:20:40] Jason Persaud: K. If I were to have... I don't have red ones in my office. But if I were to have red ones on, then it... The blue... The whole blue color is gone. It's not even in the spectrum. But what I'm doing, because I do so much computer work, anytime I'm on my computer all day, I like to wear these ones just because I'm not telling my body it's twelve noon all day long, essentially. Oh. And if I were to, like... It's very subtle. But when you have one of these and I'm, like, looking at what I'm looking at right now, I have a big studio light. I'm looking at this. I have some notes in front of me.
[00:21:13] Jason Persaud: I can feel a difference in my eyes, my eyeballs, between this and this. And what happens is when it comes later in the day, all of a sudden, my circadian rhythm starts to work better. And so it's easier for me to fall asleep. It's easier for me to stay asleep. This is what I'm saying about information signaling. So before all these screens and LEDs and technology, the sun rises, your body is okay. Cortisol goes up. The sun goes down. We turn on our golden lights at home, which is still like amber ish halogen lights. And our melatonin goes up and we go to sleep. But now the sun goes down. It's getting better right now.
[00:21:51] Jason Persaud: But a few months ago, the sun was down at four thirty, and then we have all these LEDs on until we decide to go to sleep at ten o'clock or eleven o'clock. Guess what? Your body needs the dim light in order to release melatonin.
[00:22:05] Dustin Serviss: Right.
[00:22:06] Jason Persaud: So if it's not dim from seven or eight until ten, then your melatonin isn't increasing. So it's now ten o'clock. You turn the lights off, and you're like, it takes me forever to fall asleep. Yeah. Because you've been telling your body it's daytime still.
[00:22:20] Dustin Serviss: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:22:21] Jason Persaud: Another layer to that, melatonin is the strongest anticancer hormone in the body. Okay. Okay. So let's think about this. Let's remove three extra hours of melatonin time every evening for thirty to forty years.
[00:22:38] Dustin Serviss: Yeah. Wow.
[00:22:39] Jason Persaud: And now we're seeing a huge increase in cancers and everything else. Right? Melato... So in the Alzheimer's, dementia, neurodegenerative research, they're dosing melatonin in the, like, thirty, forty, fifty, sixty milligram range per night. Okay? And this isn't even on the level of trying to get them to sleep. This is... It is an antioxidant for the brain as powerful as glutathione. But can you patent melatonin? Oh. No. You can't. So the things you hear about are things that are patentable in the medical system. Anything that becomes popular is, okay. This is a super cool thing. It's special. We can charge a lot of money. Alright?
[00:23:22] Jason Persaud: You don't hear the medical system talking about minerals and vitamins and basic things because it's like they can't make any money off of it. And then who's gonna put research behind something they can't make money off of? Nobody.
[00:23:33] Dustin Serviss: Right.
[00:23:34] Jason Persaud: That's the problem with peptides. That was the whole thing with peptides, like, two years ago or whatever it was. RFK is supposedly changing that right now as per what media is telling us. It was removed because of lack of safety data.
[00:23:47] Dustin Serviss: Yeah.
[00:23:47] Jason Persaud: What's the lack of safety data? Like, I could give you a hundred people right now that are... That have been my clients that have seen amazing positive results from using peptides and not needing to use their pharmaceuticals or whatever they were using before, and they feel amazing. And now they're off of something versus being on something fifty bucks a month for the next fifty years,
[00:24:08] Dustin Serviss: essentially. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. We talked about peptides last time, but what what has evolved since then? Because a peptide is an amino acid. And, again, I'm... I'll let you do the script
[00:24:18] Jason Persaud: This goes back into the signaling. Right? So we're talking about signaling. Okay? So let's think about this. When you eat raw food like you mentioned. Right? When you get a lot of sunlight outside, when you dim your lights at night, okay, when you control blue light in your eyes, what are we doing? We're changing the signaling that our body is receiving. Okay? So when you look at health issues, is... Do you have a health issue just because you were low in iodine, Or is it like you were low in iodine and you've been telling your body it's twelve noon all day long for... To the last twenty years,
[00:24:52] Dustin Serviss: all
[00:24:52] Jason Persaud: of that kind of stuff? So then you get into the peptide conversation. So the peptides are even better than our nutraceuticals and supplements because they're not trying to replace a deficiency. They are trying to tell your body to do a mechanism of action better. And it's a mechanism that your body understands. So let's think about, like, a peptide like retrotide, for example. So Retritrutide is a pretty novel peptide right now in the world of the GLPs. Okay? What is the GLP? The GLP is working on that leptin hormone, and leptin is your hunger hormone. Okay?
[00:25:27] Dustin Serviss: And GLP, for anyone who doesn't know, is, like, weight loss. Usually, it's for something else, but it's been figured out that it causes a lot of weight loss. So doctors are sliding it out the door.
[00:25:38] Jason Persaud: Yes. And it has a lot to do with that leptin that leptin hormone. Okay? And that's your hunger hormone. This is where the Ozempic's and the Manjaro's have become very popular because people don't eat as much and they lose weight. But we know there's a whole bunch of problems with that, but I'm not gonna go into that. The main thing I wanna focus on is the signaling mechanism. Okay? So why are the GLPs so popular? They're so popular because they're working on that leptin hormone. Leptin is very sensitive to circadian biology. That's what we're talking about here.
[00:26:07] Jason Persaud: Like, seeing the sunrise in the morning, seeing the sunset in the evening, telling your body that there is a cycle to the day. When I'm looking at light all day long, my body doesn't know the cycle. It just thinks it's twelve noon all day. So at the root of the leptin issue is a circadian biology issue and a mitochondrial issue. Okay? So the mitochondria, powerhouse of the cell, it does... It's way more than just a powerhouse, but it does a lot of things in the cell in terms of essentially your cellular energy, your health, your vitality, everything like that. And it is very sensitive to oxidative stress. Oxidative stress. What's that?
[00:26:43] Jason Persaud: Think about alcohol, sugar, EMF, blue light, pesticides, heavy metals, chemical residues, microplastics. Most of us wear underwear that is made of freaking plastic.
[00:26:55] Dustin Serviss: Right.
[00:26:56] Jason Persaud: And then we go work out or go in the sauna. Like, we laugh about it, but it's it's a thing. This is what we... Everyone is struggling with. And these things get into our, like, our glands, and then we wanna know why we have a hormonal problem. And now we're leaning on HRT to solve the hormonal problem. You see what I'm saying? It becomes like such a loop. Right? So that's where the peptides have become very useful in in at least bridging. K? There are people that are like, they use the peptide, they feel better, they start to slide backwards. They use the peptide, feel better, slide backwards.
[00:27:30] Jason Persaud: How I use it with patients or clients is we're really using the peptide as a bridge or a way to modulate the immune system or the metabolic system or the nervous system or your gut. Like, whatever it is we're trying to work on, it's now, I would say, a medical grade level tool, which is so cool. Because before this, we're stuck with, like, detoxes and herbals, and we're relying on someone's biology to really regenerate itself. And some people just don't have the genetic gift to to move that needle, to be honest. And the peptides allow us to build that bridge so I can do the underneath stuff. It's okay. You've had gut issues for twenty years.
[00:28:11] Jason Persaud: So you're malnourished. You got bunch of bugs. You got a bunch of environmental toxins. Your lymphatic system sucks, so you can't detox. But you feel like ass, and you're a high performer at work. And so we need to get you to feel better to perform at work, to keep your job and all the other things. Peptides have been this very cool bridge where it's like we can use that to get people to feel better while we do the undercover work underneath that we would have been doing originally, but it would have taken us maybe two to three months to get that person to feel better because we just had to clean the backlog, essentially.
[00:28:45] Dustin Serviss: So pushing forward to the future and a peek into your brain and not Yeah. Things that you're maybe actively practicing and helping people with. But the things that have your attention for, say, whatever number, five to ten years from now, where you're like, I don't know if this is gonna be true. There's some stuff coming out now on x y z that has my attention. What are some of those things?
[00:29:12] Jason Persaud: Yeah. We're right there with... We've been, like, circling around it. Right. It's really like the circadian health concept, the nervous system aspect of things, and a lot to do with, like, our metabolic diseases. Okay. And that's where the GOPs are becoming so popular. And the peptides, it's gonna be a very interesting area with how the pharmaceutical industry and the government basically allows this to happen. Okay? The US is...
[00:29:41] Dustin Serviss: Why don't the people allow it to happen? So what's the risk if the people decide it?
[00:29:45] Jason Persaud: Yeah. Yeah. So here's the thing. So in the world of peptides in Canada, you're not getting pharmaceutical grade peptides. You just... You can't get it. There's... There there is no pharmaceutical anything in Canada that's really allowing you to do it. So you're basically getting what they call gray area peptides. Now gray area peptides are not necessarily bad. They... They're just gray air. They're not coming from a compounding pharmacy. So you then get your peptides tested and whatever ratings come back, generally, they're pretty good. That's Canada. In the US, as I said with RFK, like, it was...
[00:30:20] Jason Persaud: They were removed about two years ago, two and a half years ago. RFK is pushing to bring back fourteen of them, which means that legally, the compounding pharmacies and everything like that can now make them, which means all of those, like, biohacking, HRT style clinics can now give clients access to the medical grade peptides instead of people going to these gray area websites in order to order them.
[00:30:45] Dustin Serviss: Right.
[00:30:46] Jason Persaud: That's the main difference between Canada and the US. So in the US, definitely forward thinking in that scenario. Canada, I honestly do not foresee when that's gonna come into play. Like, I'd be surprised if it's even a thing in the next ten years just with how slow Canada moves in general. I do see there being more of the, like, gray area opportunities to to get peptides as people get their hands... Acts on... Get their hands on it and access to it. Peptides like BPC one five seven, TB five hundred, GHK, Those are pretty popular mainstream peptides right now. A lot of people are making, like, either lotions or face versions
[00:31:28] Jason Persaud: of the GHK copper peptide. They call it the Wolverine stack with the BPC and TB. To your point, the people are normalizing these things even though they're technically gray area, which then it pushes back the legality aspect of it, and it's ignored to a degree. But I don't see when the medical system is going to bring that forward. But that's definitely the forefront. Like, I can fix someone's leaky gut using some... Whatever I gotta do for their gut. Say it's bacterial or fungal or whatever. I gotta do that, but then layering something like BPC, TB, and a GHK, like a glow peptide, it's thirty days, and they feel drastically different.
[00:32:08] Jason Persaud: Like, I would say people feel different in, like, as little as ten to fourteen days. But if I didn't have those tools, we're now looking at sixty to ninety days to fix leaky gut. Right? Right. I broke my wrist. Couple years ago, I was mountain biking, and I broke that bone right at the bottom of your thumb that's got all the old blood flow and everything like that. And I was doing renovations on my house and the clinic. They put me in a cast and I'm like, I can't do anything in this thing. So it was just horrible. I was like, this is stupid. As I took an angle grinder, cut my cast off. I'm injecting... GHK wasn't a thing back then.
[00:32:41] Jason Persaud: This would have been like four years ago. I was injecting BPC and TB, like, locally right into that spot, and I did all my renovations. I have no lingering pain, nothing. And it was supposed to be six, eight weeks with that cast on, and I had it on for five days. Peptides are definitely the future. And, again, why are they the future? Because they're signaling molecules. Right? Things like red light therapy, signaling molecule, grounding mats, signaling molecule, anything that's PMF, pulse electromagnetic frequencies. They're all just signaling molecules telling your body to do something.
[00:33:16] Jason Persaud: And that is, in my opinion, the future of, like, health, which is what we call biohacking. The issue is in the medical system, you can't monetize that very well. Like, how do you monetize
[00:33:30] Dustin Serviss: You think... So I, like, I will come back to the peptides. If I took them last year and it was fixing my wrists and it was two hundred and fifty microgram milli units of Yeah. BPC and TB and Yeah. And now has... In the last year or so, I've done a... Not a lot of research, but I've talked to a lot of guys about it, different doctors. Yeah. It's like the dosage actually might be higher that the body can sustain to, like, really... A ten milligram vial of BPC that lasted me, like, three weeks because I was doing such
[00:34:06] Jason Persaud: small It could be gone in ten days.
[00:34:08] Dustin Serviss: So it's... I guess it depends on how you blend it. But then
[00:34:10] Jason Persaud: So it depends in my opinion, and this is the way I see it now, on use... Case use. Okay? Fast forward from when we did that with your wrist to, like, now, I would say I would probably bring that much lower into a fourteen day, twenty one day and, like, double or triple the dose.
[00:34:28] Dustin Serviss: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:34:28] Jason Persaud: In the longevity format, what we're doing now is, say, you got four months. Like, the first four months of the year, you can have thymosin alpha one, BPC, TB, and then GHK. And say you're working on mitochondria in there specifically, but just on a longevity format, you can hit a ten milligram bottle every month. Five milligrams day one of the month, and then day fifteen. And then the next month you're on the next peptide. So it's like you have a longevity based protocol that you run month after month. And then there might be some specifics you're doing in there, which is like
[00:35:04] Jason Persaud: an Epitalon or mitochondrial upgrade, or say you're doing some neuro stuff. Like, you can stack them that way. So that's what I'm doing with clients now. Most clients I work with, it's like more focused and acute. But once we get out of that acute strategy and we're out of the pain part of it and now we're looking on biological age and more of our, like, longevity pieces, then we move into, okay, this is like your quarterly, like, cycle, essentially. This is like your quarterly tune up because you're getting older, you like to play sports, disc degeneration, your knees, your back, like, those are all things that are naturally going to happen.
[00:35:42] Jason Persaud: So if we can fine tune you a little bit every quarter, almost like an oil change in a sense, then clean it up before it turns into disc degeneration. And now we gotta go in for a scope or whatever to do that, which was the old thought process, then let's do that. And when you think about the price point on it, a bottle of TB, like, you can get a glow peptide, which is BPC, KPV TB for two hundred bucks, maybe two hundred fifty bucks.
[00:36:06] Dustin Serviss: Has the price come down?
[00:36:07] Jason Persaud: It's come down to... It's come down significantly compared to where it was before because access is increasing. Right? It's becoming more popular, so there's more availability for it. Meanwhile, a glow peptide like that could have been, like, five hundred bucks before. No problem. But comparatively to say exosomes or stem cells, it's still relatively, like
[00:36:29] Dustin Serviss: Right.
[00:36:29] Jason Persaud: Like, cheap comparatively to
[00:36:31] Dustin Serviss: be honest.
[00:36:32] Jason Persaud: And in my opinion, if you're gonna go spend x amount of dollars on exosomes or stem cells, which is easily in the, like, five thousand to twenty thousand dollar range for two hundred fifty bucks for a glow peptide. Like, I've seen this do things that someone who is running exosomes, it wasn't doing the trick. Like, it just wasn't creating the result. I think it's the future. Not I think. It is the future. It's just gonna be how mainstream does it go, in my opinion, based on what the medical system allows because in Canada, anyways, the medical system and our media are so integrated, essentially.
[00:37:05] Dustin Serviss: Yeah. And we're talking, as I see it, fixing things or Yeah. Tuning up things. Now I wanna pivot to more optimization. Like, I'm a fifty eight year old who used to competitively cross country mountain bike. And now I wanna compete at the Tuesday night
[00:37:24] Jason Persaud: ride. Yeah.
[00:37:25] Dustin Serviss: And I want, like, insane cardio, and I want my body to perform. So, maybe I'm already healthy. So say the person checks out. Is it likes the old steroid days where there's there's there's different ones that fix stuff, but they also... There could be enhancing things. Second part is, usually, if you're enhancing things, there's always... Back in the steroid days, it was like, we'll do this. But just so you know, this might or will happen. This is... I'm up for the risk.
[00:37:52] Jason Persaud: Yeah. In the world of peptides, you're not gonna get as much of the risk because, again, it's a signaling molecule. So it's I don't want to say there is no risk, but with anabolics, there's way more risks. Okay. Like you're going to get way more performance increase, but you also have way more risk increase, of course. So at a guy your age, who's relatively healthy outside of our longevity tools we were talking about, which is essentially like cardiovascular maintenance and then your, like, mitochondrial maintenance, like, that's gonna be your biggest area of opportunity in your sport because the mitochondria and
[00:38:28] Jason Persaud: your ability to buffer lactic acid is your golden area. Right? The only... There's no tools in the peptide world that are gonna drastically increase performance. You go into the anabolic world. Now you're looking at Anavar to build your red blood cells or EPO to do some oxygen doping, essentially. Those are gonna be your options. In the peptide world, like, it's... Or it's really hard to overdo it because it means that your body has to go out of its physiological norm. And peptides...
[00:39:01] Dustin Serviss: What does that mean?
[00:39:02] Jason Persaud: Yeah. So let's think about it this way. So if I give you, like, let's say, CJC and ipomoral and blend. Okay? So in the anabolic world, we can take human growth hormone. Right? We can take exogenous HGH
[00:39:15] Dustin Serviss: Right.
[00:39:15] Jason Persaud: Which is going to tell our body to stop making it. And it... Because it's... We already have it, we're not gonna make it. Right? In the peptide world, if we're taking CJC twelve nine five or ipomorulin or samorulin or testamorulin, Those guys in varying facets are HGH, human growth hormone, segregox, which mean they they tell the body, like, almost like a push button to make more growth hormone. But it's only gonna do within the physiological normal levels that your body can do that. It's like there's like a capacitor. Like, you got a limiter, basically.
[00:39:49] Dustin Serviss: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:39:50] Jason Persaud: So whatever your biology is gonna let you max out at, that's what that's gonna do. Have you ever heard of something called enclopine? Have you ever heard of that?
[00:39:58] Dustin Serviss: No.
[00:39:59] Jason Persaud: So in the testosterone world, there is Clomid, which we used to use PCT, and then there's Enclophene. And Enclophene is this one thing that basically tricks your pituitary to tell your body you have no testosterone. And so your testes go max. Like, you're... You wanna see the genetic potential of your body to make testosterone, you take that. But it's gonna go so high that you then have to take an estrogen inhibitor because estrogen is gonna follow the testosterone up. But, again, say an African male is gonna have the capacity genetically to make more testosterone than I will, even though we take the same thing.
[00:40:38] Jason Persaud: But I can take steroids and match his level of testosterone.
[00:40:43] Dustin Serviss: Right.
[00:40:44] Jason Persaud: But it's gonna have more repercussions on my physiology than his physiology. Does that make sense? So Yeah. Yeah. That's where it's like peptides are great signaling molecules, but your performance will still max out on what your genetic capacity is per se. And this is where if you get into the world of the SARMs or other anabolics, you can surpass your physiology, but it's always gonna come at a consequence primarily to, like, you know, your cardiovascular system on your, like, lipids and everything like that and your kidneys and your liver. And it's all dose dependent, of course. There's so many factors on that side of things.
[00:41:18] Dustin Serviss: But for you,
[00:41:19] Jason Persaud: on a peptide side, it's like mitochondrial. That's gonna be your biggest area, essentially.
[00:41:24] Dustin Serviss: Yeah. So, again, it's kinda what's marketable. You walk into the supplement... Popeye supplements. You're like, hey. I wanna mountain bike better. You're gonna get something with probably a lot of sugar, probably a lot of dyes, probably maybe a bit of citrulline.
[00:41:43] Jason Persaud: Something's sitting
[00:41:43] Dustin Serviss: out and taste good.
[00:41:44] Jason Persaud: Yeah. Little tingles.
[00:41:46] Dustin Serviss: Yeah. It's gonna Okay. But... So, again, part of that experience is you get an effect. You taste. Whereas peptides, I'm being honest. It's pretty freaking boring, and it just goes in, and it doesn't really feel like anything. So I'm pivoting a little bit. You you... So it's... You run a practice. Maybe give us a... Give listener a two seconder on how you run the practices in Ontario and in BC or just how you've become like that. Because I wanna get to you deciding successful Toronto, and then all of a sudden it's... I gotta go somewhere else. And you you just... Because I don't think we went here in the first podcast, and I wanna
[00:42:27] Dustin Serviss: talk about it.
[00:42:28] Jason Persaud: Yeah. Grew up in Scarborough, Toronto. Okay? City boy. And what do you do in Toronto? Basically, as you get older, you play sports, you go to clubs on the weekend. There's, like, a very limited green space. Like, literally, your life is work, the car you drive, the money you make, like, it's very kinda status driven. Okay? COVID ended up... And so because of that, it was like work and bodybuilding. Those were like the two things for me. And COVID happened. And as I said, they closed a lot of the green spaces. So it was pretty much like going to house parties and twenty year olds are doing drugs and, like, all those kind of things.
[00:43:05] Jason Persaud: And then you just... It's never enough. There's always another level. There's always someone else trying to top you. Like, the game just never ends. And I I just kept burning out, to be honest. You know what I mean? You'd put on the face, but I just kept burning out. And I was having health, Not like health issues, but my gut wasn't good. My mental health wasn't good. And I was just like cycling. And that's what moved me from being in the world of personal training into more of the holistic health because I was just trying to understand what was going on. And every doctor told me I was fine because I was physically fit. I look fine.
[00:43:38] Jason Persaud: I speak well. I'm articulate, but my brain was just not good, and nothing was showing up in blood work, essentially. Right. And so I was like, at the time during COVID, as I said, I was like, I just need something different. So me and some friends hashed a plan, moved to BC. I'm looking up growing economies in the Okanagan. I see salmon arm on the list, and I'm like, let's move there, see what happens. And moved there six months later, meet my now wife. Now funny enough, I had known her from Ontario. So I moved out there in March, and then in July or August... July, she's... Hey. I got headhunted by Okanagan College.
[00:44:13] Jason Persaud: I'm coming out to the Okanagan. You're the only person I know. Help me house hunt. Anyways, that turns into dating.
[00:44:18] Dustin Serviss: And here
[00:44:19] Jason Persaud: we are. It's just because she was down in Penticton. So I was doing a two and a half hour drive to go Nice. And whatever else. And then I was like, I can't live in Penticton. It's way too dry down there. You gotta come you gotta come up here. And, anyways, we haven't left, obviously. But in the three months that I was here originally, like, I literally went stir crazy. Like, my nervous system, it's... I was like, this is how people actually live. This is how most people live. Unless you're in... Vancouver is partly like that, but, like, New York and Toronto are like a different animal.
[00:44:52] Jason Persaud: Like, literally twenty four hours a day, there's something to do. And I'm working... I... There, my busiest days were Friday, Saturday, Sunday, because that's just when everybody's not working. Like, you try to have hours during the day, like, no one's around. You know what I mean? I was a trainer too. It's like before work, after work, weekends, and that's what stayed. And then I moved out here. Nobody comes to see me on the weekends. Nobody comes to see me in the evenings. Five o'clock, this place is dead. On the weekends, everyone's having fun. And it was such a mind flip because you get
[00:45:25] Jason Persaud: patted on the back for, like, performance in sports, performance in work, the car you drive, the income, like, all the status stuff. And then here, it's like, let's just go have fun in the woods. You got a bike? Yeah. You have a stand up paddle board? What toy do you have? Let's just do that. Nobody cares. And it made a drastic difference for not only my health, my wife's health. And that is a lot of the basis that I use with clients, first of all. And that's why major cities have so many sick people is literally the information signaling we're talking about. You know what I mean? Think about the signaling we're getting.
[00:45:58] Jason Persaud: We're in the woods smelling fresh air in a mountain, and they're smelling exhaust fumes at seven a. M, waiting for a bus to go to work. Like, it's just that's why people are sick. And that goes into this terrain concept, not only the terrain concept for the health of our body, but the terrain concept of our mind. I wake up six AM, get on a bus, go to work, take a bus home, like, six AM to six PM. I'm just working half the year to pay taxes and whatever else. Meanwhile, we're obviously very blessed with the lifestyle that we have out here, but it just takes a leap of faith in order to do that. I didn't come out here with anything.
[00:46:35] Jason Persaud: I rebuilt my business. Like, I I rebuilt everything, essentially.
[00:46:39] Dustin Serviss: I wonder how many listeners are successful in a region like this. They don't take a bus to work, but they're smelling exhaust metaphorically. And they are... You don't even know because you're on the track. And I think the one thing that I take away from you is that it just take a commitment to just go. But worst case is you go back. That's it. Like, the...
[00:47:05] Jason Persaud: I I didn't move out here with the idea of I'm gonna be here forever. I'm like, Toronto sucks. I have no idea how long COVID's gonna be. I'm gonna sign a year lease. So I came out here for a year, and I'm like, if it didn't work, it doesn't work, I'll just move back. And I didn't move all my things. I moved enough for me to be here. And basically, after a year and then me and, Aaron decided we were gonna do the thing, I went and got the rest of my stuff, and I'm like, I'm not coming back. Now has it been easy building a business in a small town when you used to live in a major city? No. Not by any means. You know what I mean?
[00:47:37] Jason Persaud: I didn't have to do any marketing. I was always booked. Like, just the referrals would book me alone. Like, I just opened the day, and it was packed. And here we are now. We're twenty twenty six. I moved in twenty twenty one. My calendar still like that a little bit when I go back to the GTA where I can open it, send out one email and a Facebook post or an Instagram, and then it's like I have twenty appointments. And that's the blessing of big cities, and you're not gonna get that here. So I've had to pivot a lot in the sense of doing way more stuff virtually than I did before. Because before, again, it was all word-of-mouth. And I just...
[00:48:10] Jason Persaud: I don't wanna live in Kelowna. Like, I could go to Kelowna. I could go to Kamloops and do that. I just I choose to not do it, and I've decided that the pay cut comes with that. But my trade off is I get to spend time with my family and play in the woods, which I was not doing before. So it's a happy trade off for me.
[00:48:26] Dustin Serviss: Yeah. I can definitely resonate with you in running businesses... Predominant businesses in Kelowna for me. But here, it is different, and it's only an hour and a half away, but the society or the fabric of people's thinking is different. I would say it's not upgraded as much as the bigger cities, but what the bigger cities value, smaller cities don't. And so when you come in with maybe a more premium product or something that's charged, you kinda get that, woah. You charge that much? Or, like, how would I ever get that value? Where drive an hour and a half down the road, people are like, oh my god. Raving about whatever you did, and super
[00:49:02] Jason Persaud: appreciative. Telling all their friends.
[00:49:04] Dustin Serviss: Yeah. Telling their friends. This is how how could we be so different in such a close proximity? But thank you, Jay. Where could people find you online? And we'll get it. Make sure it's in the show notes.
[00:49:15] Jason Persaud: Instagram at Jason dot bioenergetica, and then website is bioenergetica dot com. We all live in generally the same environment, and we're all struggling with the same things. So no one is that special, but as long as we work on the basics, you can get better too.
[00:49:31] Dustin Serviss: And if someone is too shy to phone you yet but wants more or was into the podcast today, what's your number one resource for some of the things you're talking about? Or is there a site or on your site or what? If you
[00:49:45] Jason Persaud: go on... If you get on my Instagram and on my website, you'll find my YouTube, and I also have all the other podcasts I've done as well. There's probably, like, twenty to twenty five hours of podcast that you can listen to just to get more of an idea of, like, my thought process and how I work with clients. We got some testimonials on there as well of different client cases that we worked with. That would be an easy place to start in terms of learning more about how we do things.
[00:50:08] Dustin Serviss: Hey, Jay. Thanks a lot.
[00:50:09] Jason Persaud: Thanks, Dustin. Appreciate it. Bye.